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6 thoughts on “TOS”

  1. I am doing research for my site, scanning for ideas, contributors, themes, subjects, etc. I am mostly interested in quantitative content on Mexican-American issues, census, demographics, social/psychological, and economic. I aim to stay away from commentaries, views, opinions, and visions based on religion, politics, culture, and history. My agenda is to discover, understand, find evidence, and highlight with facts the impact, influence, and direction that Mexican-Americans or Mexicans have or will have in the U.S. I find that most commentaries or views lack objectivity on the subject not because of ignorance or because of a hidden agenda, but mostly because there is lack of quantitative facts on the subject. Your article on immigration is an example. I was prepared to read read it but into the second paragraph, the historical context pulled down my interest. Not sure if i agree or disagree with your point which is a shame as you at least are willing to articulate your point to the degree that you write. Not sure if you are a writer or someone with too much time on your hands but as hopefully as I progress and bring facts to the surface your writing style and subjects will advance beyond from its crude historical and philosophical context.

  2. Juan; It appears that I’ve hit a button with you. Your circumlocutory reply, seems meant to be more of a keyword ad for your site than a true response. Regardless, if the fact that I feel immigrants should assimilate into American culture offends you, then so be it. Foreigners who are making America their home but refuse to learn the language and assimilate into our culture offend me.

  3. Thanks for quick response; no, none of the above. Not offended by the assimilation comment nor trying to tag into my website – nope. Simply that as a commentator I want to elevate the discussion, from a reaction of being offended, to an understanding of why. Remember, if offended, understanding is one of many wise steps

  4. Why? Quite simple really. In American culture (and we cannot have this discussion without putting it into context) it is considered rude to whisper or speak an unknown language in front of someone else. Some of the issues that concern me and most Americans are:

    1. First and foremost, a lack of communication between two parties. You must agree that for two parties to be able to understand each other and work together, they must first be able to communicate easily and correctly.

    2. Having to press “1” on my phone when I call some place.

    3. Having to pay more taxes to have everything printed in multiple languages. This might make sense in some situations such as airport screening instructions, etc. but little else.

    4. Not being able to understand salespeople in stores, fast foods, etc. because they can barely speak the language.

    And the list goes on.

    And finally, it offends me that aliens come to our shores seeking a better life but then refuse to pay allegiance to our country. If for instance, I thought Mexico was a better country for me to live and raise my family, I’d learn Mexican Spanish, move to Mexico and assimilate into that culture. I would be come a “Mexican” period! Yes, I might be a Mexican of European descent but I would NOT label myself an American-Mexican.

    Does this make sense? Now a question; Do you feel immigrants should not need to assimilate? Why?

  5. On your point # 1.

    Easily? Correctly? If you mean communication that effectively allows you to convey your message, well, that’s is more of a wishful thinking. Communication is skill that is difficult to master. Not sure I can agree on this. Quite honestly your point is a bit simplistic.

    On your point # 2.
    What? If i am selling you something or for commercial purposes, and as a good business person, i will do what ever i can to help my customer. Within public sector, helping those who need help for social services can lead to those people to understand and therefore “assimilate”.

    On your point # 3.
    Taxes? This is so trivial that I do not even know where to start. Let me leave alone for now.

    On your point # 4.
    If you are getting bad service, let management know. As a business, they will welcome your comments. I agree that they should not have people with language skills that might limit their performance. But then again, I guess you are looking at a service industry where people are making $8 an hour and where “higher” quality personnel and service may bypass such wages.

    Now we get to the last and maybe the last point – an probably to the real issue. They do not look, talk, behave, and react like you. That does not make them less or more than you. They might lack the sophistication and decorum that you seek. But they, I, value you, this land, this country, this life, this opportunity. It hurts to know that our weaknesses are seen as offenses; we, do not think about assimilation as a obligation, we see it as a goal. A goal to prosper, to communicate, to be valued, and to be held as an equal.

    As per your last point, it is not what I think or want regarding assimilation. I seek to understand and elevate the discussion, from emotion to communication, from disdain, to acceptance, from your isolation, to our home.

  6. Comment:
    On your point # 1.

    No, it’s not simplistic. When American English is so bad that I cannot understand someone saying “will you have fries with that” or “will there be anything else” or when the landscape people at my condo just stare and smile in response to a statement or question” then there is a definite communication problem. I’m not speaking of understanding the various nuances or being able to ‘read between the lines.” I’m talking about literally being unable to understand the words.

    On your point # 2.
    A. And that is why I have no problem asking to speak to someone who speaks english.
    B. Again, I totally disagree if by “help” you mean printing and signage in their language. We have a number of schools in our area that teach foreign language and the method is ‘total immersion.’ Students must do everything in the language they are learning. Immigrants will learn the language much faster if they do not rely on everything being printed in their native language.

    On your point # 3.
    Trivial? To you maybe. Not to me and millions of others.

    On your point # 4.
    Again, we disagree. If immigrants know that they cannot find work, will have to supply their own translators if needed for school, legal issues, etc. they will be much more motivated to learn and use the language.

    On your point # 5
    Here you play the victim. I do not ask that immigrants look like me, dress like me, or act like me. I do not feel that they are less than me, less important than me, less intelligent than me, etc. I do not expect sophistication but I do expect a bit of decorum, not just from immigrants but from everyone. All I ask is that if they want to make America their home, they become “Americans.”

    If you know America’s history, and I’m sure you do, then you know that this country was built by immigrants. People of all stripes came here looking for freedoms they didn’t have and a better way of life for their families. They were proud to become “Americans” and did whatever was necessary to reach that goal. Some even changed their names to more easily blend into the American melting pot.

    And finally: you state:
    “It hurts to know that our weaknesses are seen as offenses; we, do not think about assimilation as a obligation, we see it as a goal. A goal to prosper, to communicate, to be valued, and to be held as an equal.”

    Weakness? What are you considering a ‘weakness.’ What offends me is not an ‘inability’ to assimilate but the ‘refusal’ to assimilate. As you state above, the goal is not to become an American (assimilate) but to simply use America as a way to “prosper, to communicate, to be valued, and to be held as an equal” I’m not sure what you mean as “equal” but if you mean equivalent, then there is no way that will ever happen as long as two people speak different languages, dress differently, maintain different cultures, etc. I’m sure if I went to any South American country, I’d stand out like a sore thumb. As a human being I might be equal but it would end there.

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